{"id":6381,"date":"2015-07-05T16:17:25","date_gmt":"2015-07-05T16:17:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.idrlabs.com\/articles\/?p=6381"},"modified":"2020-06-20T22:38:50","modified_gmt":"2020-06-20T22:38:50","slug":"review-of-the-jpa-type-seminar-2015-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.idrlabs.com\/articles\/2015\/07\/review-of-the-jpa-type-seminar-2015-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Review of the JPA Type Seminar 2015, Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"

By Ryan Smith, Eva Gregersen, and Sigurd Arild<\/strong><\/p>\n

Earlier in 2015 the Jungian Psychoanalytic Association (JPA) hosted a seminar dedicated to Jungian typology. The following article is a short commentary on the two most substantial lectures given at that seminar, namely Ernst Falzeder\u2019s Types of Truth: Jung\u2019s Philosophical Roots<\/em> and John Beebe\u2019s Individuating the Types<\/em>. The present review will leave out the remaining lectures, which were not of the same general importance to the theory of psychological types.<\/p>\n

Review of Falzeder \u2013 \u2018Types of Truth\u2019<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"falzheder\"<\/a>Falzeder opens his lecture by pointing to the same discrepancy in Jung\u2019s stance towards the sciences as we have pointed out in multiple places on the site<\/a>: On the one hand, Jung repeatedly and vehemently claimed that he was nothing but a scientific empiricist dealing in facts, but on the other hand, Jung kept saying things that were completely outside of the realm of science; metaphysical, mystical, and philosophical. The question appears to have been settled in contemporary scholarship since almost no serious scholar considers Jung a scientist (Paris 2007, Jones 2014). However, Falzeder does add an interesting facet to the issue in that he unearths two quotes from Jung himself, given in private, where Jung owns up to being a philosopher or prophet disguising himself as a scientist.<\/p>\n

Falzeder then quotes Jung on the matter of how Jung\u2019s engagement with philosophy supposedly distinguished his epistemological stance from Freud\u2019s:<\/p>\n

“Every psychology – my own included – has the character of a subjective confession.” – Jung: Freud and Psychoanalysis<\/em> \u00a7774<\/p>\n

“I consider my contribution to psychology to be my subjective confession.” – Jung: Analytical Psychology<\/em> (Routledge 2014) p. 102<\/p>\n

An interesting dictum, to be sure, if it wasn\u2019t for the fact that it was not Jung who came up with it at all, but rather Nietzsche:<\/p>\n

\u201cGradually it has become clear to me what every great philosophy so far has been \u2026 the confession of its author and a kind of involuntary and unconscious memoir.\u201d – Nietzsche: Beyond Good and Evil<\/em> \u00a76<\/p>\n

On neither of the occasions quoted above did Jung credit or even reference Nietzsche (whom he had certainly read) as the source of this aphorism. Like the way Jung refurbished ideas from Indian philosophy<\/a> without duly crediting the origins of these ideas (Coward 1985), Jung merely paraphrases Nietzsche and then passes the insight off as his own. What is annoying about the state of Jung scholarship and licensed Jungians in general is that one so often sees this kind of fawning over a supposedly Jungian idea that was quite plainly appropriated from other sources without due credit given (not that we propose to hold Falzeder responsible for this state of affairs). For example, it is quite unlikely that such intellectual appropriation would be allowed to stand unchallenged in an auditorium full of Kant scholars, Nietzsche scholars, or even orthodox Freudians. And yet this type of thing happens again and again in seminars and books on Jung. As the historian of psychology Richard Noll (as well as other scholars) have hinted, many Jungians are not interested in philosophy, critical thought, or anything \u201cintellectual,\u201d but in a sort of modern-day mythos to which Jung is their entry point (and their only<\/em> entry point). As a result, the history of thought and science tends to get \u201cmythologized\u201d as well \u2013 a procedure that comes at the expense of clear-minded scrutiny.<\/p>\n

Falzeder then seizes upon the problem of the lack of an \u201dArchimedean point\u201d in psychology: Since every appraisal of psychic phenomena involves the psyche itself, there is no objective \u201cground zero,\u201d but only the psyche analyzing itself from various perspectives. Falzeder correctly traces the source of this conundrum (and Jung\u2019s proposed solutions to it) back to his fondness for Schopenhauer<\/a> (and ultimately Kant), but unfortunately Falzeder does not then use the genealogy to engage with the question of whether Jung was effectively a relativist and\/or solipsist, as other scholars have claimed (Nagy 1991). Instead, Falzeder makes a point of juxtaposing Schopenhauer\u2019s idea about gaining an ineffable type of access to the thing-in-itself<\/em> with the Jungian idea of making extra-empirical contact with the archetype of the self<\/a>. However, the source of this idea is not traced back to its ultimate Indian roots, which Jung can again be demonstrated to have read (Psychological Types<\/em> \u00a7329).<\/p>\n

Falzeder also engages with the question of Jung\u2019s personal type<\/a>, to which end he produces a quote from Jung, describing the Introverted Intuitive type. By altering the quote so as to make Jung speak in the first person pronoun (\u201cI am…\u201d instead of \u201cthe Introverted Intuitive type is…\u201d) Falzeder proposes to make us see how close Jung\u2019s own words about the Introverted Intuitive type come to describing his own psychology. The conjecture that Jung was an Introverted Intuitive type will of course encounter no resistance from us, but Falzeder then proceeds to say: \u201cJung so often portrayed himself as an Introverted Intuitive type, whether he was one or not, that I think we are justified in applying this description to himself.\u201d <\/em>And in our opinion, this type of reasoning is problematic for several reasons:<\/p>\n

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  1. If Jung \u201cso often\u201d described himself as an Introverted Intuitive type, then why are there no documented episodes of him actually doing so? Why does one need to purposefully alter his words in order to produce a supporting quote?<\/li>\n
  2. If Jung thought of himself as an Introverted Intuitive, then why did he always \u2013 again and again<\/a> \u2013 say that he was an Introverted Thinking type?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    In our opinions at least, the justification for assessing someone\u2019s type is not whether that person refers to himself as a given type, but whether analysis actually points to the person being that type. Quite conversely, it is not because Jung said he was an Introverted Intuitive type that we are justified in concluding that he was one, but because the vast majority of experts, all working on the basis of vastly different approaches to type<\/a>, have ended up concluded that Introverted Intuition fits Jung better than Introverted Thinking (and besides \u2013 Jung never said he was an Introverted Intuitive type anyway). In our opinions, Jung was simply wrong about his own type, and it is vexing to see Jungians attempting to skirt around that fact.<\/p>\n

    Falzeder then proceeds to speak about Jung\u2019s ambiguous writing style, which has led many writers and thinkers to conclude<\/a> that Jung tended to contradict himself and muddle his arguments to the point of incomprehensibility. However, Falzeder does not give us much in the way of his personal opinion on the matter, but mostly concerns himself with reporting the predicament from Jung\u2019s point of view. Because he does not offer much of an appraisal of his own, Falzeder\u2019s presentation comes across as quite obliging or non-committal. On the other hand, Falzeder quotes Jung\u2019s associate Marie-Louise von Franz to say that Jung\u2019s ambiguity was like the Buddha\u2019s, in that many of the things he said were true on two levels. Likewise, Falzeder also quotes von Franz to say that Jung\u2019s writings had to be ambiguous because Jung was writing about paradoxical, unconscious matters. In both cases, however, it seems that von Franz was not quite aware of how unfavorable this comparison with the Buddha really is to Jung. The Buddha did indeed speak on two levels through the facility of skillful means<\/em>, with the result being that both sages and laypeople thought he spoke clearly. With Jung, it is possible that he also spoke on two levels, but in any case the verifiable result was that both scholars and ordinary people tend to feel that he is being long-winded and opaque. Even von Franz herself is quoted to say that \u201che does not write very clearly.\u201d In the same way, anyone who claims that it is not possible to write clearly and in a logically coherent manner on paradoxical and ineffable matters has clearly not read such classics of Buddhist thought as Nagarjuna\u2019s Fundamental <\/em>Verses<\/em> on the Middle Way<\/em><\/a> or Stcherbatsky\u2019s Buddhist Logic<\/em>.<\/p>\n

    Finally, in what is perhaps the lecture\u2019s most novel contribution, Falzeder explores Jung\u2019s unpublished notes on typology from the ETH Lectures<\/em>. On the basis of these notes, Falzeder draws up a new typology that Jung supposedly drew on the blackboard during one of these lectures. Falzeder then contends that there are really four typologies that can all be grouped under the heading of Jungian typology:<\/p>\n

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    1. Association experiments in normal people, conducted with Franz Riklin (1903-1904): Findings reveal that some people react with internal-subjective associations to stimuli and others with external-objective ones, leading to two easily recognizable types.<\/li>\n
    2. The two-functions-two-orientations scheme, which Jung explored with Hans Schmid-Guisan<\/a> (1913-1916): Introversion is linked with Thinking and Extroversion is linked with Feeling. The possibility that there is such a thing as an Introverted Feeling function<\/a> as well as talk of an Intuitive function<\/a> are explicitly (and sometimes angrily) rejected by Jung.<\/li>\n
    3. The two orientations (Extroversion and Introversion) and four functions (Sensation, Intuition, Thinking, and Feeling) scheme, which we all know from Psychological Types<\/em> (1921): Much of the book (and\/or the insights featured therein) were supposedly contributed by unnamed collaborators (Bair 2003, Shamdasani 2003).<\/li>\n
    4. A fourth, much later \u201cSchopenhauerian\u201c typology dealing with the archetypical influences on the individual\u2019s psyche (1944): Some individuals are more naturally attuned to the world of external-noumenal ideas, such as state, church, party, time, space, and causality. Other individuals are more naturally attuned towards the internal-noumenal world of spirits, ghosts, angels, and the mystical Godhead.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

      From Falzeder\u2019s cursory verbal presentation it is not quite clear what the full implications of this new typology will be – a full evaluation\u00a0will have to wait and see until the matter is published in book form. However, as far as we can tell on the basis of\u00a0Falzeder\u2019s presentation, the typology appears to be similar in spirit to V.W. Odajnyk’s archetype addition to Jung’s typology, as\u00a0published in the\u00a0book Archetype and Character<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0discussed here<\/a>. As Falzeder himself notes, that kind of typology does not replace<\/em> but rather complements<\/em> Jung’s existing typology.<\/p>\n

      For our part\u00a0we would contend that there are not four typologies in Jung’s typology (as Falzeder claims) but rather two: The personality typology at various stages of its evolution (corresponding to\u00a0Falzeder’s 1, 2, and 3) and the archetype typology (corresponding to Falzeder’s 4).<\/p>\n

      Overall, Falzeder’s lecture is clearly laid out and produces a series of central and weighty quotes that help to put Jung in his proper context (incidentally, many of the same quotes are found around our site as well). Jung’s connection to Schopenhauer is duly noted, though one could have wished for some further elaboration on Jung’s unacknowledged borrowing from Nietzsche and Indian philosophy. As noted, Falzeder’s stance is mostly neutral and objective, and as such his criticism and appraisal of Jung is much more elegant and understated than ours. In the end, however,\u00a0Falzeder does seem to arrive at an appraisal of Jung that is similar to our own, politely ending his lecture by voicing\u00a0doubt\u00a0as to whether Jung was \u201creally such a good thinker as he thought he was.\u201d<\/p>\n

      REFERENCES
      \n<\/strong>Bair: Jung<\/em> Little, Brown & Company 2003
      \nCoward: Jung and Eastern Thought<\/em> SUNY Press 1985
      \nJones: Jung and the Question of Science<\/em> Routledge 2014
      \n<\/strong>Nagy: Philosophical Issues in the Psychology of C. G. Jung<\/em> SUNY Press 1991
      \nNoll: The Aryan Christ<\/em> Random House 1997
      \nNoll: The Jung Cult<\/em> Touchstone 1997
      \nOdajnyk: Archetype and Character<\/em> Palgrave Macmillan 2012
      \nParis: Wisdom of the Psyche<\/em> Routledge 2007
      \nShamdasani: Jung and the Making of Modern Psychology<\/em> Cambridge University Press 2003
      \nStcherbatsky: Buddhist Logic<\/em> Motilal Banarsidass 2008<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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