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Why Socrates is ENTP (and anti-social)

In order to discuss Socrates‘ type, there are two things for us to mention before we can start:

(1) Socrates never wrote anything himself. Thus, what we do have on him, we have from three sources: Aristophanes, Plato and Xenophon. The puzzle of piecing together a picture of the “true Socrates” from these sources is known as the Socratic Problem. It cannot be completely solved, but nor are we are far from powerless in furthering a solution to it. From Aristophanes we know next to nothing. From Xenophon we have a great deal of Socrates’ advice to the young. Yet the problem is that most of this advice is quite banal. – If Xenophon’s picture was all there was to Socrates, there would have been no reason for the trial and execution of Socrates. Thus we are left with Plato’s sources: These are divided into the early, middle and late works, with the early work thought to represent the true Socrates, the middle works representing a mixture of Platonic and Socratic thought, and the late works being almost wholly the words of Plato, stuck into the mouth of Socrates. (So this also means that late Platonic works such as the Republic and the Laws cannot be used to type Socrates at all.)

The ageing Socrates portrayed in all his six-pack prime.

(2) Within the field of psychological type there exists a strong, yet continuously challenged, tradition of typing Socrates as INTP. This tradition has been especially expounded on by David Keirsey, author of the best-selling Please Understand Me book series. Also, a lot of INTPs around the net like to “claim” Socrates and will defend him as INTP no matter what arguments are presented to them. (But of course, not all INTPs are beyond redemption, as one INTP states online: “I used to think INTP, but he just seemed to love talking so much and refused to write anything down. I sometimes wonder if his seeming INTPness comes from Plato…”) – Alas, we cannot convince everyone, but we can present our arguments and let you decide for yourself. Here we go:

Argument 1: Socrates died talking and died of talking

The last hours of Socrates were spent in the company of his friends, discussing philosophy and the possibility of the soul being immortal. In the dialogue portraying his last hours, Socrates even tried to keep talking after the hemlock was killing him off. And of course, the reason Socrates was condemned to death in the first place was because he had been unable to keep his mouth shut about the sore spots of the Athenian self-identity. As a later Roman, Cato the Elder, said of Socrates: “Socrates was a big chatterbox, who tried … to dissolve [Athenian] customs, and to entice its people to forming opinions contrary to order.”

Detain from Raphael’s famous 1511 masterpiece ‘The School of Athens’ showing Socrates engaged in discourse with a young admirer. Even then, teenagers had a need for role models that would not sit well with their parents.

Generally speaking, though all types can benefit from stimulating conversation, an INTP will be more inclined to pursue their own ideas and also to remain with those same ideas for prolonged periods of time. For example, Einstein, Darwin and Kant all worked on their ideas until they were well thought-out, whereas Socrates constantly sought stimulation from the outside, from fellow men, and endeavored to solve everyday problems in an abstract and surprising, ‘maverick’ manner which was not always completely tenable. Socrates even seems to have taken delight in the half-baked nature of some of his utterances. As Socrates says in the Theaetetus: “Even though everything you and I uttered today was but brainfarts, still we will be better the next time we try to reason, as a consequence of todays meanderings.”

To further the case for Socrates as a person with a heightened need for external stimulation (and thus, for Socrates as an Extrovert), I advance another two quotes:

Socrates: “The arguments never come out of me; they always come from the person I am talking with.”

Socrates: “[I have an] advantage in having the skill to get some account of the matter from another’s wisdom and entertain it with fair treatment.”

While both antiquity and modernity thinks of Socrates as the prime inspirer of Plato’s later ideas, the thinkers of medieval times took a different view: As Plato was the one to lend Christianity a lot of its nifty ideas, for them it would seem to follow that Socrates was but a clown and a mouthpiece for Plato’s thoughts. This medieval fresco shows Plato leading the hand of Socrates.

In my opinion, these two quotes testify towards an outwardly directed psyche, characterized by a quick understanding and adept at manipulating the ideas of others. To the true MBTI nerds reading this (i.e. the ones with an understanding of the Jungian Functions) what he have just described is an Ne dominant psyche. To the not-so-nerdy readers, Ne stands for Extroverted iNtuition and is only dominant in the ENTP and ENFP types. What these two types are known for is in fact their capacity for quick and numerous associations, and in the course of delivering the short defence speech at his trial, Socrates gets around to likening himself and others to both Hercules, the Illiad, Achilleus, and more. Furthermore, on the topic of Socrates’ extroversion and his trial, we note that as introverts, INTPs tend to prefer predictability in their outer environments and relations, while ENTPs are noted for their recklessness. As will be clear to anyone reading the trial, Socrates makes no attempt to make amends, but openly taunts his jurors, the politicians of Athens, and so on.

Argument 2: Socrates’ philosophical doctrine was extensive, rather than deep

As we have already mentioned, both Plato and Xenophon thought that each was the true heir to the philosophy of Socrates, even while their two philosophies were radically different and had almost no points of contact. But the buck did not stop there at all: After the death of Socrates, several philosophical schools sprang up, each claiming to be the true heirs to the philosophy of Socrates: At least four different schools of this kind can be identified:

(1) The Cynics The Cynics were a school of philosophy who admired Socrates for his high spirits, while living life in utmost poverty. Through the absence of worries over one’s possessions, one’s life and personal safety, one could be truly free, they thought, and who was freer than Socrates?

(2) The Stoics admired Socrates for his stern courage in battle (Socrates fought as an infantryman on numerous campaigns), as well as for his unfailing resolve and calm, even in his dying hour. The Roman stoics of the first century CE often sought to emulate Socrates when they committed suicide, thinking that none were sterner than Socrates – the true example for all Stoics.

Epicurus. For centuries abused as a hedonist by Christians when all he really wanted was to be left alone with his four female disciples Nikodion (‘Little Victory’), Erotion (‘Lovie’) and Mammarion (‘Bigtits’)

(3) The Epicureans thought that Socrates was truly wise, because even though he lived in poverty he still did not reject the pleasures that were available to him. Thus, while the Cynics made the choice of living in abject pain and without bare necessities, the Epicureans sought a rational optimization of their lives: If they were to gain the greatest pleasures available to humans, they would have to spend their lives working and thus possibly end up enjoying life less than if they simply struck a rational balance between pleasure and pain: Sausage may be better food than bread, but if you have to work 12 hours to pay for sausage, is 12 hours of work eating sausage really better than 12 hours of leisure eating bread? The Epicureans looked to the poverty-stricken yet happy Socrates as their true model of how to achieve this optimum balance of maximum pleasure and minimal pain.

(4) The Skeptics looked to Socrates for a man who was able to examine almost everything under the sky and still suspend final judgment. The Skeptics made an art form of viewing any matter from (at least) two sides, and to continuously keep doubting the nature of most knowledge. A Skeptic was one who found peace by admitting to ignorance and seeming to abandon the criterion by which knowledge is gained – like Socrates, who kept maintaining that he never had any ideas himself – that he was completely barren and only a midwife to the ideas of others.

All of these four schools of philosophy looked to Socrates as their true master and each of them maintained that they were the true heirs of Socrates. That there can be such widespread disagreement as to what Socrates actually thought testifies to the fact that Socrates’ teachings were extensive rather than deep (an Extrovert trait) as well as to the fact that Socrates’ teachings were preliminary rather than finalized and ready to fly (an Ne trait).

Argument 3: Socrates displays the characteristics of the anti-social personality

In the work of the famous psychologist Theodore Millon, each of the 15 personality disorders are compiled into a pathologic personality type. This allows the reader acquainted with both systems to draw parallels between the MBTI and the “dark side” of personality. While there is no 1:1 correlation between MBTI type and Millon-type, there is in fact a meaningful correlation. In my experience, while INTPs will most often be Eccentric/Schizotypal in Millon’s system, and ENFPs will most often be Sociable/Histrionic, ENTPs, however, will tend to qualify as Nonconforming/Antisocial. In and of itself, this argument will not prove that Socrates was ENTP, but it will add to the likeliness. Here is Millon’s mind-map for the Nonconforming/Antisocial personality:

Which we will now contrast with the typical Millon type for INTPs, the Eccentric/Schizotypal type:

Hopefully, most readers will agree that Socrates fits better into the first of these two mind maps. Looking at the two, it is quite hard to see what is at all good about the Eccentric/Schizotypal type. But in fact, the Eccentric/Schizotypal type is second to none in the domains of logic, mathematics and natural science. Like INTPs, the Eccentric/Schizotypal type tends to repress Feeling and sociability and thus deliver the great leaps forward that is the signature of a Parmenides, a Descartes or a Smith. Whereas Socrates, by contrast said that: “The arguments never come out of me; they always come from the person I am talking with.”

Amongst the stock characterizations of the Nonconforming/Antisocial personality is the tendency to thrive on conflict and confrontation. The Antisocial personality is, amongst other things, known for its uncanny ability to sense the soft spots of others and then jerk the knife into them. As one psychologist wrote: “In the mind of the antisocial, they are doing people a service, confronting them with the truth and with their blind spots. In the minds of everyone else, the antisocial is simply overly confrontational.” Again we note that while these traits are certainly possible in INTPs, they are far more common in ENTPs. But just to set you off, I’ll give you two examples of Socrates exhibiting this behavior:

(1) As we noted earlier, Socrates openly taunts his jurors and the politicians of Athens in his defense speech. Socrates also compares Athens to a mighty horse and then compares himself to a gadfly that constantly stings the horse so as to make sure that the horse is always vigilant. This is more or less the prototype of the antisocial behavioral pattern described above.

(2) In the dialogue Meno, Socrates forces a slave boy to solve a simple geometry puzzle which, having no education, the slave cannot solve properly. Socrates keeps asking the boy questions, while his friend Meno looks on, until the slave concedes that he does not know:

Socrates’ wife Xanthippe, pouring domestic waste down his back. Maybe he tried the geometry puzzle on her, before figuring that slaves made for better, safer targets. Print by Otho Vaenius 1607.

BOY: Indeed, Socrates, I do not know.

SOCRATES: Do you see, Meno, what advances he has made in his power of recollection? He did not know at first, and he does not know now … but then he thought that he knew, he answered confidently as if he knew, and had no difficulty; now that he has had a difficulty, he neither knows nor fancies that he knows.

MENO: True.

SOCRATES: Is he not better off in knowing his ignorance? … If we have made him doubt, and given him a shock, have we done him any harm? (…) We have certainly, it would seem, assisted him in some degree to the discovery of the truth; and now he will wish to remedy his ignorance.

Thus, here it would also seem that Socrates is taking pride in being ‘overly confrontational’, and furthermore, Socrates portrays himself as a firm believer that this sort of confrontation is one that does people good.

So Socrates was not only ENTP, he was also an antisocial bastard. Indeed, had Martin Luther King Jr. known this side of Socrates, it remains to be taken up anew whether he would ever have compared Socrates to Jesus Christ.

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